Posts by Jules Saturn

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John Ceder used my satire about annual meeting for real

by Gorbatchov in

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friends

sorry guys,.

the gorby satire fake report of the annual meeting with the coincidence about russia, is used for real in john cedars yt channel.. please concider it for well prepared satire.. and not much more.. g..

Jules Saturn

I also took Gorby’s thread seriously when he first posted it because he also didn’t initiatally say that it was a satire. So I can’t really blame Cedars or JR. I think if you’re gonna make a satire of something always say that it’s a satire initially cause if you don’t it’s just gonna mislead people. Just like what Watchtower says. Either label it a satire from the get go or don’t make the joke at all.

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Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018

by Jules Saturn in

it was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.

for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.

very interesting times!

Jules Saturn

It was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the King of the North is Russia and the king of the south is US/Britain. What do you think of this? For me this is the first time hearing from the Society actually identifying the identity of the King of the North. Very interesting times! I am curious to hear what you guys think. Please share your thoughts.

-Jules

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Matt 5: 29, 30 used to justify shunning

by Jules Saturn in

i had a family relative use this scripture found here to justify shunning.

the scripture reads as followed.

if, now, your right eye is making you stumble, tear it out and throw it away from you.+for it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to be pitched into ge·henʹna.

Jules Saturn

I had a family relative use this scripture found here to justify shunning. The scripture reads as followed

If, now, your right eye is making you stumble, tear it out and throw it away from you.+For it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to be pitched into Ge·henʹna.*+ 30 Also, if your right hand is making you stumble, cut it off and throw it away from you.+For it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to land in Ge·henʹna.

Now my personal opinion is that at first glance it looks like it is something that Jesus said that justifies shunning but if you read back to a couple verses before 29 and 30 you will find that Jesus is speaking of adultery and the scriptures read:

You heard that it was said: ‘You must not commit adultery.’+ 28 But I say to you that everyone who keeps on looking at a woman+ so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Correct me if I’m wrong but using this in the context of shunning is incorrect. I interpret the scripture as being more anti masturbation as opposed to being pro shunning to having your right eye and right hand removed if you look at woman with lust.

I think it’s one of those scriptures that are misapplied by Witnesses to be pro shunning when taken out of context. It’s annoying that they do that

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Sex before marriage

by Jules Saturn in

for ex jws, pimos, pomos, faders, born again christians, agnostics, atheists, etc.

what is your opinion regarding sex before marriage, has your view been influenced since you left?

in western society, you’ll probably find yourself ridiculed to be an 18 year old virgin so i am curious to hear opinions from here.

Jules Saturn

For ex JWs, PIMOs, POMOs, faders, born again Christians, agnostics, atheists, etc. what is your opinion regarding sex before marriage, has your view been influenced since you left? In Western society, you’ll probably find yourself ridiculed to be an 18 year old virgin so I am curious to hear opinions from here

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Has the Governing Body ever been right?

by Jules Saturn in

i asked this question to a relative after mentioning several situations where teachings were changed or readjusted (new light) and they have two reasons.

yes, they are correct because look at how the preaching work has grown through the decades and the advancements in witnessing and the second reason was the doctrine of the trinity and how the society opposes that.

i didn’t really have a response, especially for the trinity doctrine.. does the governing body have the rejection of the trinity belief correct?.

Jules Saturn

In regards to the point of the preaching work growing or having success I was going to point to the growth the witnesses have had in recent years in comparison to decades ago and also how the preaching work is still under ban in several countries. The trinity issue is a hard one to comment on

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Has the Governing Body ever been right?

by Jules Saturn in

i asked this question to a relative after mentioning several situations where teachings were changed or readjusted (new light) and they have two reasons.

yes, they are correct because look at how the preaching work has grown through the decades and the advancements in witnessing and the second reason was the doctrine of the trinity and how the society opposes that.

i didn’t really have a response, especially for the trinity doctrine.. does the governing body have the rejection of the trinity belief correct?.

Jules Saturn

I asked this question to a relative after mentioning several situations where teachings were changed or readjusted (new light) and they have two reasons. Yes, they are correct because look at how the preaching work has grown through the decades and the advancements in witnessing and the second reason was the doctrine of the trinity and how the Society opposes that. I didn’t really have a response, especially for the trinity doctrine.

Does the Governing Body have the rejection of the trinity belief correct?

~Jules

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Detroit the movie on Netflix anybody seen it ?

by smiddy3 in

a movie about the riots in the seventies in the city of detroit but especially with the reason for the riots and the attitude of police and how the nation treated people of colour.

and how they treated them and how the justice system failed them .. based on a true story.

i found it very confronting yet compelling to watch.. humans have a tendency to lump everybody together in the same basket ,however we are not all the same, their is good and bad in every race and culture whether they are black, white or brindle .. anybody seen it and like to comment ?.

Jules Saturn

Saw it last night, I thought it was pretty good, I do think that some scenes were really long and really dragged but I’m guessing that was done intentionally to get an idea on how long it must have felt to stand up facing the wall and being questioned and abused.

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Are you better off as a worldly person or a JW?

by Jules Saturn in

i was having a conversation with a relative who has been inactive for several decades (part of the ‘75 generation) and he argued that a person that is a born in is better off staying in the organization rather than someone like him who lived as a “worldly” person but then became a witness later in life.

he argues that when you’re born in, all you know nothing outside of the organization, so you’re better off in than out, that’s why when born ins leave the org, they always come back.

i agree that as a born in, your social circle is composed of witnesses but i do feel that even born ins would be happier outside of the org than being in.

Jules Saturn

I was having a conversation with a relative who has been inactive for several decades (part of the ‘75 generation) and he argued that a person that is a born in is better off staying in the organization rather than someone like him who lived as a “worldly” person but then became a Witness later in life. He argues that when you’re born in, all you know nothing outside of the organization, so you’re better off in than out, that’s why when born ins leave the org, they always come back. I agree that as a born in, your social circle is composed of Witnesses but I do feel that even born ins would be happier outside of the org than being in. Again my inactive relative argues that they are genuinely “happy” but they are conditioned to believe that they are happy. Thoughts?

-J.S

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What is attractive?

by Freedom rocks in

has anyone found that since leaving the borg that their tastes have changed in what they find attractive in the opposite sex?

beards, long hair, tattoo's, etc).

i don't now if it's just my taste changing as i get older or if it's coz beards were frowned upon by the society that i find them attractive now and didn't when i was younger 😊.

Jules Saturn

Interesting you say this, I think honestly my perception of people has changed to what atttacts me physically and mentally to a person whether they’re in the org or not. I find myself more inclined to engage to people who think freely and critically on certain viewpoints instead of following something just because it makes you feel good. In regards to physical appearance, in my case I used to frown upon girls that had belly piercings. Tbh I still frown upon certain tattoos, especially if the person has their entire body covered with them but that’s just my opinion. If they have a small one that’s in a decent spot then I don’t really care but if it’s on your arm and it’s a character from your favorite tv show then I’m just gonna look the other way. Just my opinion.

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Crisis of Conscience where to find?

by Jules Saturn in

does anyone know where i can get a pdf version of this book?

i’ve always wanted a physical copy but those seem really hard to come by, and if you look online they’re super expensive.

thank you.. -jules.

Jules Saturn

Does anyone know where I can get a pdf version of this book? I’ve always wanted a physical copy but those seem really hard to come by, and if you look online they’re super expensive. Thank you.

-Jules